If so, then they were done post-1928 or so, but I have seen shortened examples without the mark which should mean they were done before then, and nobody else seems to have noticed the existence of these non=ASFA marked ones! So, knowing that SS has made a major study of Osmanli bayonet marks (the 1887, 1890 and 1903 series - all around in WWI!) The bayonet's grips are made of cast aluminum, painted black.
Hull's research also indicated that the Providence Tool Co. obtained an 1875 contract with the Turkish government for Peabody-Martini rifles with saber bayonets.
2nd King Edwards Own Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles) who died on 24/10/1920 BASRA WAR CEMETERY Iraq ' that U.S. importers have made up. The USA reportedly provided 312,430 M1 rifles to Turkey under the Military Assistance Program (MAP), beginning in 1953 and ending with a final shipment of 5,000 in 1972. You'll also find that the K.Kale marked receivers will not have a matching numbered 1941 to 66952: 26,000 rifles. Yes, it's a screw, and exactly where it should be, on the right side of the bayonet for a P.1907. //-->, By dailyinfo[29]='143 Stoker BAHAUDDIN BHOLA MIYAN Royal Indian Marine who died on 29/10/1920 BOMBAY 1914-1918 MEMORIAL, MUMBAI India' This is the one from the other thread, right?
They are both "Model 1935" bayonets that were made by Turkey for their "Model 1938" Mausers. "Highflyer." as you can see, it was cleaned and the blade is broken. As shown in this comparison image, the sheet steel body is of substantially better construction than the MKE example above.
In fact the press stud is just visible in the photograph Assaf posted, so another way of putting it when looking at relic material is that with the pommel up and blade down, and the quillon to the right (as in the relic photograph that was posted), then if you can see the press stud button, it is a P.1907! from one year to the next, but there are always exceptions. KUMASI MEMORIAL Ghana' Upwards of 400,000 bayonets were manufactured and delivered to Turkey. 200,000 of these large, heavy sword bayonets were made. // Stop Define Variables for days of the month Proceeds and commissions from these sales - in part - go towards the purchase of additional reference materials and acquisition expenses. dailyinfo[5]='356326 Officers Cook 1st Class Peter Cajetan DE SOUZA who died 05/11/1920 H.M.S. Model 1890 Turkish Mauser Bayonet. document.write; Beginning in 1977, Turkey produced G3A7 rifles under licence at M.K.E. and assembled on the new receivers. - simon127, is this a shortened one? 98K's and other equipment While on this subject of 1887 rifles in use in WWI, it might be of interest to add this link to one of these neatly converted to fit the 1890 rifle - http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=181035.
3 for the marking). Both of bayonets are marked ASFA, which means "Askari Fabrika", or military arsenal/factory in Turkish.
So I will have to bite the bullet and tread in his footsteps, without - I hope - making too many mistakes. We pay our respects to elders past and present. dailyinfo[30]='14/1745 Private Frederick Charles FRANKLIN 14th Bn.
306th Bde. was made at Kirikkale. As such they all employ the same types of inspectors’ markings along with the tughra, or Sultan’s mark on the pommel, this being the tugra shown below, the tugra of Sultan Abdulhamid II (r.1876-1909). marked rifles have a "B" mark on them, on various parts and under the
M1935 knife bayonet modified for use with the. dailyinfo[12]=' 8522 Serjeant John William PERRY who died 12/11/1920 "C" Coy. Socket bayonet for use on the 11.4 mm. Collecting Turkish bayonets is a field on its own with a huge number of variations, with their being variations within the variations. Crossguard marked 6254. These bayonets were dated at the time using the Islamic Calendar (AH) and this is certainly supported by the German factory production data which survived. Knife bayonet for use on the 7.62 mm. basically means, Republic of Turkey, Ankara Military Rifle Factory. WAIUKU PUBLIC CEMETERY New Zealand' So if I get it wrong anywhere I hope he will come back to correct me on one of his most important contributions to bayonet studies. dailyinfo[16]='Lieutenant Colonel Harrie Reginald LEVER O B E who died 16/11/1920 M.T. Use this login for Shop items, and image, film, sound reproductions, throughout Australia. The hilt has plain wooden grips held to the tang with two screw bolts. The auxiliary plate is secured with a single large diameter pin, as shown in the 4th image at left. on purpose? Powered by Invision Community, Turkish bayonets in WW1 - the 'Model 1903', Roman army; WWI and its bayonets - German Imperial bayonets especially; English cheese, beer, smoked back bacon; being a POF, http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=208072. Please contact me regarding any requests for use.
Scabbard Body (front): Turkish Crescent and MKE trademark. According to research by Edward A.
So to continue with this, again summarising SS's extensive and much appreciated research into the subject to make it easier to use by others (not least me!)! Royal Air Force BASRA WAR CEMETERY Iraq' var day=mydate.getDay() action, you can also check the barrel size. in Ankara (Makina ve Kimya Endustrsi Kurumu, in English, Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corp.). The old scabbards were chopped cut, welded, etc.
The Model of 1938 isn't really a single model, but rather a common set of features.
Well, I had put this up as a teaser because SS is the leading guy on Osmanli bayonet markings, and some two years ago already had recorded over 90 markings (see http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=161354&page=7), which is why I asked him some 18 months ago if he would help us all by (a), putting up a final version of identified makers marks on the forum so we can carry it around for ID purposes, and posting the results of his analysis (indicating, e.g., who made what types and when?) Turkey Wiltshire Regiment WROUGHTON (SS. Turkish front line troops who served against Australian, New Zealand, British and Indian (including Gurkhas) troops in Egypt, Palestine and the Gallipoli peninsula were armed with a range of weapons from antiquated pre-1900 rifles to modern German-made rifles and machine guns.
It is also featured in my article at surplusrifle.com, Made by Who? It is "hammered", rough, heavily worn, showing signs of heavy abuse. Bayonets from Selected Countries of the World updated March 4, 2008: Help us keep this Identification Service alive.
See Imperial French Bayonet Markings France (Post-War) Unknown Mark (on FAMAS bayonet) DLT Establishment Regional du Materiel E-RM Manufacture d'armes St. Etienne MAS Manufacture d'armes Tulle MAT Germany (1871–1918) See Trademarks Found on Imperial German Bayonets Imperial German Bayonet Makers 1871-1918 Imperial German Royal Cyphers 1871-1918 According to Dennis Ottobre, M1935 bayonets were modified this way for use with both the U.S. M1 Garand and the Greek 6.5 mm. That poser aside (anybody out there know the answer???!!! 1942 to 113321: 53,000 rifles. Oswald Garrow FISHER who died 04/11/1920 Royal Army Chaplains Department BAGHDAD (NORTH GATE) WAR CEMETERY Iraq ' dailyinfo[18]= 'Lieutenant Thurston George CRANSWICK M C D C M who died 18/11/1920 40th Bn.
And it might also be of interest to note that there is at least one of these Weyersburg 1887's with a '1306' marking (as above) that was in German service! 4 spike bayonets used by Turkey.
This The Australian War Memorial was voted the number one landmark in Australia by travellers in the 2016 Trip Advisor awards. However, the M1935 designation is also applied more broadly to a bewildering variety of similarly-dimensioned bayonets cobbled together using recycled parts from older bayonets. are going to have small shank barrels even when they have the large ring of the
dailyinfo[12]=' 8522 Serjeant John William PERRY who died 12/11/1920 "C" Coy. These identify the regiment of the British Army to which the bayonet was issued; when a bayonet was re-issued to a different regiment, the original regimental markings were normally lined out like this , and the new regimental markings were stamped near the original ones. marking on the pommel, for the Turkish Weapons factory? Herefordshire Regiment PERSHORE CEMETERY United Kingdom' There are plenty of threads on this site with photos of these bayonets if you use those search terms. WAIUKU PUBLIC CEMETERY New Zealand'
Royal Garrison Artillery GLASGOW (CRAIGTON) CEMETERY United Kingdom '
Powered by Invision Community, Roman army; WWI and its bayonets - German Imperial bayonets especially; English cheese, beer, smoked back bacon; being a POF, Well, I had put this up as a teaser because SS is the leading guy on Osmanli bayonet markings, and some two years ago already had recorded over 90 markings (see, http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=161354&page=7, putting up a final version of identified makers marks on the forum so we can carry it around for ID purposes, and.
Thank you for your detailed description of the M35 Turkish. JOHN THE BAPTIST AND HELEN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom' This bayonet is an example of one of the diverse range of combat equipment that was issued to and used by the Ottoman Turkish forces during the First World War. NATO caliber G1 (FAL) selective-fire rifle. In the course of research for his book, Dennis Ottobre noted that all examples he examined had the same maker's mark and date on the front face of the crosspiece.
While Weyersberg, Kirschbaum & Cie of Solingen were the predominant supplier of this model, Simson also produced for this contract to a much lesser extent.